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this is Sascha Christie and you're

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listening to the paranormal UK radio

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network the UK's biggest paranormal

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Network and this is paranormal

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dimensions with David Young well thank

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you for that session thank you for the

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intro there right there today I've got a

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lovely man with me is a clairvoyant

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medium named Philippe Kinsella he's

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quite well known and is widely acclaimed

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he won a British mediumship award in

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Portsmouth in 2008 and apart from taking

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to platform work he has also appeared on

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stage is very much the in demand for his

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sole survivor limp evidence he's also

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the author of numerous books some of

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which have been co-authored bilious

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identical twin brother Ronald who will

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be on an egg show who is also an author

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and illustrator

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apart from dozens of published articles

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on the paranormal Philip is also

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appeared on Channel four central live TV

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and digital Anglia news along with radio

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interviews he's also had books published

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on the few fo phenomena and researched

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the Rendlesham forest incident which

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occurred in Suffolk England in 1980

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along with the first investigate altar

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of the case Brenda Butler so it was also

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accredited in publishing an article

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concerning a revolutionary speculation

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with regards to the UFO panel problem he

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is currently working on more books now

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ok I'm going to introduce take no more

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time by glue institution consoler hello

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Phillip hello David thank you very much

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you're having me on your show it's great

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to have you on I mean as I sound really

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I've been looking forward to this don't

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know how to set off and I suppose we'll

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be able to get into how you got into all

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this Tony with your brother and

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everything work did you grow up did you

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grow up now yeah not really no I mean we

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as a kid I used to have very strange

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experiences I would literally if I saw

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something bad happening within my mind

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shockingly I I'd see it playing out

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later on slightly different but almost

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in the same way

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if there's gonna be an argument or if

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there was something brewing and I

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thought that I when I was a kid was

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cursed and I would say a little mantra

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cat went no God no never God never to

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try and council it out when I'd realized

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that this was happening I didn't realize

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up until much later in my life that this

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so-called clairvoyant ability would

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manifest and of course it's it's a

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dangerous road to walk down because a

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lot of the general public which are fed

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by the media machine and the media

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machine is you and I well no David don't

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take these subject matters of UFOs or

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psychic exploration in the way that

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people like us take it yeah they poopoo

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it so the the actual paranormal

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experiences have been with us since we

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were children I'm an identical twin and

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my brother is more artistic he's an

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author also but he's also very artistic

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but it started when we were when we were

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younger and I remembered one episode

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very clearly which happened when we were

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13 years of age in 1982 when we had been

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three-story high house in Middlesex and

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on this particular wonderful summers

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me Ronnie and Grandma and there was a

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slight breeze as a perfect perfect day

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day with sunny caught sight of this some

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sky towards us and we first thought that

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it had been a balloon but this silver

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all was coming closer and closer and it

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came over to the tree that grandmother

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had up at the back of the garden now my

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grandmother was psychic but not to the

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point where she would do people readings

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she just knew things and the whole

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family was aware of this and while we

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were watching the silver Auld it was

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hovering over the tree it was around the

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size of a football

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no markings on it whatsoever it made no

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it hung over our grandmother's head and

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year olds well like what fits that and

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and you know makes people say oh you

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know that didn't know you did it

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actually happened a list there was no

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way of explaining what it was now what

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was really funny was that our

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grandmother didn't seem fazed at all by

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the experience at all and she we'd asked

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her what it was and she said well the

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fairies have come to take a closer look

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at us and that was her way I think of

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trying to calm the experience of a the

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whole experience in in some kind of like

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way of soothing her grandson's well it

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windows to the house as though peeking

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through and then disappeared I

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remembered we ran into the house to go

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across to the other side of the house to

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look at it and see it disappear now in

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those days that were no such things as

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drones my brother always called it in I

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you know and you hear about these these

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cases that was the start I remember that

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was the talk of a family for a very long

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time so that was the initial start of of

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this very bizarre phenomena yeah that

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was that was the beginning of it and you

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know as a kid I remembered I was very

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heavily into the paranormal cause I used

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to go to the library with my brother

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every Saturday morning for a few hours

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to do a project on the Loch Ness monster

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and I have to say I did say to Malcolm

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Robinson also investigated every time I

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heard a lot more I think of him and also

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the rosebush so the immediate thought

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would have been it was a balloon of

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something wouldn't it have been that orb

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you saw that sir was not into anything

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other than a balloon and now after all

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these years later and researching and

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investigating through through our own

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personal experiences both my twin and I

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you're finding that these objects are

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well have been well known that they were

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that they were known as the Foo Fighters

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in the the Second World War you know

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they've been seen about by craft that

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they're seen

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but in course in those days there wasn't

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much on UFOs and especially in the media

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that the project group of he released a

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book and I had that as a paper backer as

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a young kid I didn't understand most of

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it but trying to absorb the scientific

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information in there was quite hard but

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this eventually led on to an experience

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to quite a traumatic experience that had

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occurred in the winter of 1989 and this

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is this is moving to when I was you know

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around 20 and and that that had happened

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the which of 1989 and that bad is what

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then actually led me to believe that we

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were dealing with something that goes

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beyond the physical nuts and bolts

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aspect of what we call your follow G

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because I had an experience then that

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chain my whole idea of reality as we

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call it and since that day I've been

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investigating and trying to understand

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what what this is all about do you want

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me to go I mean people you know raise

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their eyebrows sometimes when you say

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you've seen a UFO and you know I

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understand that that the experience is

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very different when you when you see one

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and my twin brother and I recently saw

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three of them back in on the 9th of

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April 2016 and thankfully being recorded

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by my niece in a neighboring village but

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that's another story

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yeah and Jason Glee's analyzed the

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footage and there are no but what

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happened in 1989 was that we lived in a

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small cul-de-sac I'm very quiet area and

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Sir Mary's Church whether or not our

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property then low in the ley line I'm

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not really sure but my brother and I

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shared the downstairs room a study in a

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bedroom it was quite large and we have

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kitchen and the conservatory and cotton

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to the garden I come back from work and

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I would have got back from the train for

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about quarter past seven seven

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maybe quarter past seven and I got into

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the house and our dog Benji we had a dog

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there and called Benji my sister my

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brother were in the house they were the

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only ones in there and I came in through

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the door and walked through to the hall

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to the kitchen and you know we're just

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talking during bits and pieces having a

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coffee while I was in the kitchen and

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all of a sudden the atmosphere in the

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room changed it was like an electrical

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current that gone going through the room

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and you could sense this it was like a

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buildup of static and I know that a lot

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of people who experience very strange

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paranormal

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episodes go through this is changing

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temperature changing them the atmosphere

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that becomes electric and all of a

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sudden my brother who was standing to my

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left and away from the open door to the

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hall seemed to go in what I can only

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call this a trance and as he this this

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static energy was building our dog

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started to growl and my brother said

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there's going to be an earthquake or

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grandma's going to die and he said this

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by looking at it was almost as if he'd

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been possessed by something he doesn't

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know why he said but he said afterwards

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but this is what came out of his mouth

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there's going to be an earthquake or

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grandma's gonna die well my grandmother

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wasn't hurt and they're saying it was no

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earthquake at that exact moment through

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the hall because we had frosted glass

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windows to the hall a very bright white

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light was coming up to the door of the

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house and the window to the house is all

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frosted and I thought it was a car

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cleanup coming up the driveway two hour

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drive but this light got brighter and

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brighter and what it was doing

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incredulously was bending the glass to

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the door so while my brother was going

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in this trance the glass was bending

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backwards and forth so something was

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penetrating through it and my mind at

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that point was thinking I don't

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understand what's happening I was

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getting more and more frantic the dog

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started to bark and I I really didn't

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understand what the hell was going on

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and incredulous as it may seem my sister

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she heard the dog she saw Ronnie but she

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didn't see what happened next because

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they weren't in these the area of where

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this happened but the only way I can

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describe was this small entity about

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three foot

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or clad in black with what I assumed was

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some type of helmet the seem bigger than

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its body it literally walked through the

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glass that seemed like jelly or bending

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and ran into our downstairs bedroom

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stroke study and every but everything

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returned to normal at this point the dog

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is really going for him it's really mm

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Benji's really marking the hairs on the

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back of my neck coming up and I reached

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behind me in the drawer and I pull out a

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knife the biggest knife I can find and I

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was said there's an intruder in the

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house and then I said even louder

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there's an intruder in the house and at

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that point this thing ran from the small

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room downstairs very quickly so the dog

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I mean you have to be them to understand

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that it's really quite frightening the

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dog was really barking and yelping and

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distressed and it ran up the stairs and

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disappeared so we searched the house

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there was nothing nothing at all so if

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you try to put yourself in that

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situation and this was all the way back

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in our aunt in 89 and nothing quite like

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that has happened ever again you should

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like to explain to people what happened

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I couldn't tell you if you said to

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someone I saw this gray type thing that

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looked now I realized could have been

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one all dressed in black walk through

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your walk through the glass of your

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front door from sunlight themselves into

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the ground but that wasn't the end of it

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because I then experienced something

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even more bizarre that particular what I

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can only assume was the early hours the

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morning were I found myself waking up

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and and on my back levitating and I was

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being pulled and it was dark from my

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room and I woke up in the hall and being

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pulled through the kitchen doors to the

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house and thinking how on earth am I

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able to get through the walls and doors

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of my house because as though it's like

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some LT bottles sorry only interrupting

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purify anyone would or would like some

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people say to sleep around the power

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paralysis or something but no I was

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being pulled through the wall to the

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kitchen through the

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Chinn through the conservatory now to

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the back garden and all along I'm

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thinking to myself well how am I able to

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pass through doors how am i able to go

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through them and this thought was in my

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mind primarily because I was not in

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control of where I was going something

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else was in control and as I came out to

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the back garden

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I was lifted up it was dark and I could

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see all these your clothes going through

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the sky and thinking at that point my

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goodness they're real they're real and

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my mind is fighting to stay to try and

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bring control to myself because I know

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that I'm being forcibly removed somehow

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from where I have been in my bedroom

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stroke study out here and as I focus

342
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upon these UFOs moving through the sky

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there is one particular one that's not

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moving and as soon as I fix my attention

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upon it I am lifted up I can fill my

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stomach going and I'm pulled towards it

347
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and then i black out and then the next

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episode is the one where I suffered

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unfortunately through media you know

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tegra Dacian I suppose in some way

351
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because what happened then was that I

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again woke and I was disorientated I

353
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didn't know where I was and I found

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myself strapped to some type of bed but

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not dead that you would think it it felt

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more like a solid hard bed the room was

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very dark it was very hot it was like

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being in a sauna and I remembered waking

359
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up thinking where on earth am I and then

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feeling the shock and horror of what was

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going on because I then found rather

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embarrassingly that there was the device

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that had been placed into the lower and

364
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Anthony I don't need to go into detail

365
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and I could feel it within my stomach

366
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like it's pulsating and as I turned to

367
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my right there were these three tall

368
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brick I know I can explain this like

369
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reptilians it sounds ridiculous but

370
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that's the only thing I could define in

371
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terms of reality that they were moving

372
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backwards and forwards in this very

373
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strong stance through this mist and I

374
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started to scream and yell and I wanted

375
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them to take this thing out of me

376
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and if I can just explain to you that

377
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the fear the total fear and degradation

378
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of that moment is something that was all

379
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it's all very well explaining in on

380
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radio but the initial emotions and their

381
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the actual experience was very horrific

382
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as ice yeah and as I screamed and yelled

383
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they it was as our mr. Ratan lab they

384
00:16:41,170 --> 00:16:36,160
weren't interested to me whatsoever

385
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however this small gray I call it gray

386
00:16:46,900 --> 00:16:44,510
first time I was seen one shocked me

387
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because it came forward and it was more

388
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cream than gray and it the thing was

389
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retracted out of my lower part and I was

390
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ordered to sit up and address it it was

391
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very cold it didn't have any empathy in

392
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it but I was grateful to it because I

393
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felt from an empathic level that it had

394
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released the mechanisms around my legs

395
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and my my arms and and this thing had

396
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gone retracted across the floor so I did

397
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as this thing commanded I dressed and I

398
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was ordered to follow it towards this

399
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wall what I thought was a wall until the

400
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wall disappeared and I found that we

401
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were up some height and I assumed at

402
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that point we were still in the craft

403
00:17:31,540 --> 00:17:28,580
and we were still above the village but

404
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it was it was becoming morning and this

405
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is where it gets really cranky because I

406
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found myself seeing another craft by the

407
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conservatory lowered down and I thought

408
00:17:45,430 --> 00:17:42,500
oh my god what on earth is going on on

409
00:17:48,010 --> 00:17:45,440
here you know I I've just been taken

410
00:17:49,870 --> 00:17:48,020
from my my house I'm up in this thing

411
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I've had this most terrifying experience

412
00:17:55,690 --> 00:17:53,360
and this gray type creature is now

413
00:17:57,130 --> 00:17:55,700
asking me that I need to exit well I'm

414
00:17:59,500 --> 00:17:57,140
thinking well held held away it said

415
00:18:03,340 --> 00:17:59,510
does it expect me to just walk out of

416
00:18:05,770 --> 00:18:03,350
this opening well the next thing I knew

417
00:18:08,470 --> 00:18:05,780
was there were two other graves with me

418
00:18:10,630 --> 00:18:08,480
and we're coming down to the ground I'm

419
00:18:12,520 --> 00:18:10,640
told not to look at them but my main

420
00:18:14,560 --> 00:18:12,530
focus attention on the last part of this

421
00:18:17,680 --> 00:18:14,570
experience that I'm very quickly going

422
00:18:21,520 --> 00:18:17,690
through is that this other UFO that was

423
00:18:23,920 --> 00:18:21,530
smaller had this other gray underneath

424
00:18:25,540 --> 00:18:23,930
it's standing in in front of me now the

425
00:18:26,920 --> 00:18:25,550
other two Gray's that told me not to

426
00:18:30,370 --> 00:18:26,930
look at them and obviously cleared off

427
00:18:31,000 --> 00:18:30,380
they just go on but this one in front of

428
00:18:33,040 --> 00:18:31,010
me

429
00:18:36,040 --> 00:18:33,050
the most was the most shocking I felt

430
00:18:38,020 --> 00:18:36,050
violated and totally degraded I didn't

431
00:18:40,420 --> 00:18:38,030
understand what had happened to me I

432
00:18:43,600 --> 00:18:40,430
didn't know where I where I was in terms

433
00:18:44,890 --> 00:18:43,610
of my mind or you know or what you're

434
00:18:46,120 --> 00:18:44,900
going through these experiences in your

435
00:18:49,450 --> 00:18:46,130
mind thinking this is really happening

436
00:18:50,890 --> 00:18:49,460
to me yeah I want proof I need proof so

437
00:18:53,650 --> 00:18:50,900
this great the standing in front of me

438
00:18:55,540 --> 00:18:53,660
is about four foot tall he's more he's

439
00:18:57,430 --> 00:18:55,550
more human looking than Graeme and still

440
00:19:00,550 --> 00:18:57,440
Griff in order mean he was stocky well

441
00:19:02,440 --> 00:19:00,560
well-built the one-piece uniform knee

442
00:19:06,100 --> 00:19:02,450
length high boots I could still see him

443
00:19:08,800 --> 00:19:06,110
now his chin came into a point at the

444
00:19:10,960 --> 00:19:08,810
end but he wore this stupid hat on his

445
00:19:13,120 --> 00:19:10,970
head pointed hat that was that came

446
00:19:14,740 --> 00:19:13,130
underneath his craft and he's got his

447
00:19:17,200 --> 00:19:14,750
arms folded across his chest and he's

448
00:19:19,240 --> 00:19:17,210
looking at me he's looking at me really

449
00:19:25,530 --> 00:19:19,250
angrily like you know and I could feel

450
00:19:27,880 --> 00:19:25,540
this this real anger in him I damned I

451
00:19:30,850 --> 00:19:27,890
don't know I've got no idea this is the

452
00:19:32,860 --> 00:19:30,860
thing and I thought how dare you how I

453
00:19:35,200 --> 00:19:32,870
wanted to punch him but because I

454
00:19:37,000 --> 00:19:35,210
couldn't get to him I was not able to

455
00:19:40,150 --> 00:19:37,010
move I was still in this kind of like

456
00:19:43,990 --> 00:19:40,160
control or whatever it was so I thought

457
00:19:45,730 --> 00:19:44,000
I need proof I need something so the the

458
00:19:48,700 --> 00:19:45,740
only thing that came to my mind was how

459
00:19:50,800 --> 00:19:48,710
the hell am I able to get through locked

460
00:19:52,120 --> 00:19:50,810
and bolted doors I mean how how are you

461
00:19:53,470 --> 00:19:52,130
able to do that and I knew that if he

462
00:19:55,720 --> 00:19:53,480
could give me the answer to that I'd

463
00:19:58,750 --> 00:19:55,730
crack it I cracked the code I'd crack it

464
00:20:01,390 --> 00:19:58,760
all but he looked at me David and his

465
00:20:03,100 --> 00:20:01,400
mouth went to an O and he started to

466
00:20:06,160 --> 00:20:03,110
talk in this electronic grasp when I

467
00:20:08,200 --> 00:20:06,170
found myself rushing back through the

468
00:20:09,460 --> 00:20:08,210
doors to the conservatory through to the

469
00:20:12,700 --> 00:20:09,470
doors to the kitchen through to the

470
00:20:15,250 --> 00:20:12,710
doors today the downstairs study bedroom

471
00:20:17,080 --> 00:20:15,260
and bang I was back in my body as soon

472
00:20:20,680 --> 00:20:17,090
as I I came back in there I had a

473
00:20:22,530 --> 00:20:20,690
nosebleed on my right nostril and I got

474
00:20:25,210 --> 00:20:22,540
up and it was very difficult for me to

475
00:20:26,920 --> 00:20:25,220
walk around and move now what's

476
00:20:31,360 --> 00:20:26,930
interesting what's really interesting

477
00:20:34,000 --> 00:20:31,370
about this is that I my brother and I my

478
00:20:37,690 --> 00:20:34,010
twin and I found three triangular marks

479
00:20:39,880 --> 00:20:37,700
that were prominent and were behind my

480
00:20:42,550 --> 00:20:39,890
right ear and we tried to remember the

481
00:20:44,110 --> 00:20:42,560
old Polaroid cameras yeah but we're

482
00:20:44,680 --> 00:20:44,120
trying to take a picture of it they

483
00:20:46,719 --> 00:20:44,690
picked

484
00:20:48,729 --> 00:20:46,729
wouldn't come out so I had three

485
00:20:50,499 --> 00:20:48,739
triangular marks behind my right here

486
00:20:55,710 --> 00:20:50,509
I've got three marks that I still have

487
00:20:57,969 --> 00:20:55,720
on my right arm that burn and I also

488
00:21:00,460 --> 00:20:57,979
kept having nosebleeds to the right

489
00:21:03,310 --> 00:21:00,470
nostril to the note to the right nostril

490
00:21:05,799 --> 00:21:03,320
the area here and of course in those

491
00:21:07,690 --> 00:21:05,809
days who was I going to go to go to a

492
00:21:09,430 --> 00:21:07,700
doctor and say oh you know you made by

493
00:21:11,619 --> 00:21:09,440
aliens and whatever they're just all the

494
00:21:13,930 --> 00:21:11,629
way to the late but I'm not so

495
00:21:15,519 --> 00:21:13,940
interested in in what happened to me

496
00:21:18,009 --> 00:21:15,529
although I will never forget the

497
00:21:20,680 --> 00:21:18,019
experience what's interesting is the

498
00:21:23,379 --> 00:21:20,690
fact of of how what we call the

499
00:21:25,570 --> 00:21:23,389
abduction happened and and my my

500
00:21:28,180 --> 00:21:25,580
research into further investigations

501
00:21:30,519 --> 00:21:28,190
into the abduction phenomena which which

502
00:21:32,739 --> 00:21:30,529
kind of like tied in with soul survival

503
00:21:35,589 --> 00:21:32,749
being a medium now which was very

504
00:21:37,419 --> 00:21:35,599
strange and integrating these parts

505
00:21:40,499 --> 00:21:37,429
because we've always looked at the UFO

506
00:21:42,940 --> 00:21:40,509
phenomena and the psychic phenomena and

507
00:21:45,759 --> 00:21:42,950
cryptozoology in and all these different

508
00:21:47,349 --> 00:21:45,769
areas into different boxes but I've been

509
00:21:49,029 --> 00:21:47,359
trying for a long time now trying to

510
00:21:50,830 --> 00:21:49,039
piece the bits together but just going

511
00:21:54,700 --> 00:21:50,840
back very quickly with regards to the

512
00:21:56,589 --> 00:21:54,710
ear now some a couple of years ago I

513
00:21:58,060 --> 00:21:56,599
think now maybe a couple of years I had

514
00:21:59,409 --> 00:21:58,070
some problems with my right ear I've

515
00:22:03,729 --> 00:21:59,419
always known there was something in

516
00:22:05,859 --> 00:22:03,739
there in my right ear and I went to the

517
00:22:08,229 --> 00:22:05,869
doctors for them to have a look at it

518
00:22:12,639 --> 00:22:08,239
and when I went to the doctors the local

519
00:22:15,489 --> 00:22:12,649
surgery of the road from us the one of

520
00:22:16,930 --> 00:22:15,499
the doctors got the device that must

521
00:22:18,369 --> 00:22:16,940
have known look and then another look in

522
00:22:20,379 --> 00:22:18,379
my right here and then another look and

523
00:22:23,499 --> 00:22:20,389
I'm sitting there thinking well what are

524
00:22:25,180 --> 00:22:23,509
they looking at and so I didn't go in

525
00:22:26,889 --> 00:22:25,190
there specifically for them to find

526
00:22:28,299 --> 00:22:26,899
anything in that wasn't that's not that

527
00:22:29,769 --> 00:22:28,309
I wants to go because every time I took

528
00:22:30,999 --> 00:22:29,779
a shower they was seen or when I'm

529
00:22:32,729 --> 00:22:31,009
asleep that seems like there's water

530
00:22:36,159 --> 00:22:32,739
logged in there it feels uncomfortable

531
00:22:37,719 --> 00:22:36,169
so anyway she said hold on a minute I

532
00:22:39,849 --> 00:22:37,729
need to go and get another doctor so she

533
00:22:41,799 --> 00:22:39,859
went on off and got another doctor and

534
00:22:43,359 --> 00:22:41,809
so the doctor came down and then there's

535
00:22:45,489 --> 00:22:43,369
other doctor stuff having a look in my

536
00:22:46,989 --> 00:22:45,499
ear and poking around in everything

537
00:22:54,190 --> 00:22:46,999
we're talking to each other I thought my

538
00:22:55,869 --> 00:22:54,200
god if I got something because it

539
00:22:57,970 --> 00:22:55,879
doesn't look like it's cleared up they

540
00:23:00,250 --> 00:22:57,980
said if there's a crystalline son

541
00:23:02,680 --> 00:23:00,260
sure in there it's very bizarre well

542
00:23:05,560 --> 00:23:02,690
anyway they left it they left this is

543
00:23:08,169 --> 00:23:05,570
the trip they left it at that and anyway

544
00:23:09,490 --> 00:23:08,179
the the doctor the Rhine saw she knows

545
00:23:12,100 --> 00:23:09,500
I'm a medium she doesn't know about the

546
00:23:14,440 --> 00:23:12,110
UFO stuff and she said what shall I ask

547
00:23:21,629 --> 00:23:14,450
you a question she said have you been

548
00:23:25,330 --> 00:23:21,639
abducted by aliens what David I mean

549
00:23:27,340 --> 00:23:25,340
they they left it today this is not the

550
00:23:29,680 --> 00:23:27,350
first time I've gone about my ear they

551
00:23:31,810 --> 00:23:29,690
left it and I went back to the car and I

552
00:23:33,039 --> 00:23:31,820
thought well that's very odd if there's

553
00:23:34,149 --> 00:23:33,049
something that still looks like it's

554
00:23:37,570 --> 00:23:34,159
healing and there's a crystalline

555
00:23:39,850 --> 00:23:37,580
structure wouldn't you say especially to

556
00:23:43,029 --> 00:23:39,860
come out with it have you been your

557
00:23:45,970 --> 00:23:43,039
party yeah I swear to God I mean I don't

558
00:23:49,029 --> 00:23:45,980
I do not I like that I know I still and

559
00:23:51,639 --> 00:23:49,039
what's really interesting is that not

560
00:23:54,490 --> 00:23:51,649
long ago probably about a month ago I

561
00:23:56,590 --> 00:23:54,500
was just resting and I felt something

562
00:23:58,360 --> 00:23:56,600
moving in there and and it felt like

563
00:24:03,100 --> 00:23:58,370
there was something moving in there and

564
00:24:05,289 --> 00:24:03,110
I could feel it you know I'm not

565
00:24:07,779 --> 00:24:05,299
claiming that I've got a tracker or

566
00:24:09,610 --> 00:24:07,789
device or implant but there's a part of

567
00:24:11,259 --> 00:24:09,620
my mind that thinks no I don't want it

568
00:24:13,060 --> 00:24:11,269
touched and I want it left David because

569
00:24:15,659 --> 00:24:13,070
I've heard these stories of people

570
00:24:19,090 --> 00:24:15,669
haven't been removed and then they

571
00:24:21,639 --> 00:24:19,100
horrible has it helped me I don't know

572
00:24:25,870 --> 00:24:21,649
is it a try something that's helping you

573
00:24:27,399 --> 00:24:25,880
you mean yeah it's possible and but I'm

574
00:24:29,680 --> 00:24:27,409
going to tell you now I'm absolutely

575
00:24:31,899 --> 00:24:29,690
convinced that what happened back in

576
00:24:33,340 --> 00:24:31,909
1989 had something to do with the right

577
00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:33,350
ear and something being placed there

578
00:24:36,850 --> 00:24:34,490
because I've always had something in the

579
00:24:38,200 --> 00:24:36,860
back of my mind that something is there

580
00:24:41,110 --> 00:24:38,210
so this is this is where my

581
00:24:43,419 --> 00:24:41,120
investigations led me then into really

582
00:24:45,310 --> 00:24:43,429
serious investigating the truth not the

583
00:24:47,769 --> 00:24:45,320
lies or the disinformation or the

584
00:24:50,500 --> 00:24:47,779
sensationalism or the ego the truth

585
00:24:52,870 --> 00:24:50,510
however bizarre and however hard it is

586
00:24:54,279 --> 00:24:52,880
for people to accept what I went through

587
00:24:56,139 --> 00:24:54,289
because I knew that I was going to be in

588
00:24:58,899 --> 00:24:56,149
for a tough time with this I thought

589
00:25:01,269 --> 00:24:58,909
this is possibly an abduction and it's

590
00:25:03,190 --> 00:25:01,279
done out of body that's still connected

591
00:25:06,430 --> 00:25:03,200
to the body and this is where my my

592
00:25:12,020 --> 00:25:06,440
theoretical model of of the abduction

593
00:25:16,110 --> 00:25:14,880
with regards to that so that this is

594
00:25:18,090 --> 00:25:16,120
where it led me in terms of the

595
00:25:20,730 --> 00:25:18,100
investigation and the research in terms

596
00:25:22,890 --> 00:25:20,740
of when people call Gray's and the

597
00:25:24,780 --> 00:25:22,900
abduction phenomena how the abduction

598
00:25:29,460 --> 00:25:24,790
happens why is that people go through

599
00:25:30,690 --> 00:25:29,470
Wars and because they stay interested we

600
00:25:32,220 --> 00:25:30,700
were taught about the greys was the

601
00:25:34,910 --> 00:25:32,230
connection with the reptilians as well

602
00:25:37,020 --> 00:25:34,920
they seem to work together at time so

603
00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:37,030
I've heard that I've heard that several

604
00:25:41,100 --> 00:25:38,890
times yeah yeah you think there have

605
00:25:43,290 --> 00:25:41,110
been two different races of aliens if

606
00:25:44,610 --> 00:25:43,300
you like that they will be separate and

607
00:25:49,110 --> 00:25:44,620
not not being working together but they

608
00:25:50,790 --> 00:25:49,120
seem to work together I don't understand

609
00:25:53,010 --> 00:25:50,800
because the thing is think about this I

610
00:25:54,870 --> 00:25:53,020
mean back then in 1989 you were you were

611
00:25:57,210 --> 00:25:54,880
considered an absolute crazy and you

612
00:25:58,650 --> 00:25:57,220
even suggested that you've had some form

613
00:26:00,630 --> 00:25:58,660
of an abduction I know that Jenny

614
00:26:02,940 --> 00:26:00,640
Randall's got in touch with my twin and

615
00:26:05,370 --> 00:26:02,950
I about it that was many years ago but

616
00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:05,380
if you told anyone that you'd been in

617
00:26:08,850 --> 00:26:06,970
the presence of what you thought were

618
00:26:10,260 --> 00:26:08,860
reptilian yes I mean you'll be laughed

619
00:26:13,560 --> 00:26:10,270
all the way to the leap but what's

620
00:26:15,540 --> 00:26:13,570
interesting is that I do believe after

621
00:26:18,780 --> 00:26:15,550
all these years of trying to deny it

622
00:26:20,580 --> 00:26:18,790
myself not in terms of what happened to

623
00:26:23,580 --> 00:26:20,590
me but denying the existence of

624
00:26:25,620 --> 00:26:23,590
reptilians as people call them I'm not

625
00:26:27,990 --> 00:26:25,630
so sure I mean I they didn't communicate

626
00:26:29,940 --> 00:26:28,000
with me that in fact there their whole

627
00:26:32,460 --> 00:26:29,950
mannerisms suggested I was nothing more

628
00:26:35,040 --> 00:26:32,470
than a piece of meat of them it was the

629
00:26:36,750 --> 00:26:35,050
gray the cream-colored gray that I saw

630
00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:36,760
that had a little bit more empathy I

631
00:26:42,570 --> 00:26:39,730
guess more understanding but not on a

632
00:26:44,760 --> 00:26:42,580
human level I guess that was me feeling

633
00:26:48,060 --> 00:26:44,770
that because it seemed to release me and

634
00:26:50,660 --> 00:26:48,070
ordered me to dress and it was ready to

635
00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:50,670
remove me from from this negative

636
00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:53,890
experience or this very negative

637
00:26:57,960 --> 00:26:55,210
situation and I had that I've been

638
00:27:01,740 --> 00:26:57,970
involved in but this then led into the

639
00:27:04,800 --> 00:27:01,750
sphere of the soul and the greys which

640
00:27:06,810 --> 00:27:04,810
seemed like clones and they can't

641
00:27:09,360 --> 00:27:06,820
reproduce and of course I starts to

642
00:27:11,940 --> 00:27:09,370
really think long and hard about you

643
00:27:14,730 --> 00:27:11,950
know putting the pieces together the

644
00:27:16,110 --> 00:27:14,740
greys can't reproduce they seem like

645
00:27:18,390 --> 00:27:16,120
they're clones

646
00:27:21,390 --> 00:27:18,400
they don't understand about human

647
00:27:23,730 --> 00:27:21,400
emotions or empathy or love or color or

648
00:27:24,090 --> 00:27:23,740
taste they seem to be devoid of that and

649
00:27:25,980 --> 00:27:24,100
I know

650
00:27:28,410 --> 00:27:25,990
there was the contention that there may

651
00:27:31,110 --> 00:27:28,420
be androids or robots I'm not dismissing

652
00:27:33,900 --> 00:27:31,120
that fact and what I'm saying is that

653
00:27:37,050 --> 00:27:33,910
they're very interested in our human

654
00:27:38,580 --> 00:27:37,060
physiology and also our psychology as

655
00:27:40,620 --> 00:27:38,590
well they seem to be masters at

656
00:27:44,100 --> 00:27:40,630
mind-reading they seem to be masters

657
00:27:46,350 --> 00:27:44,110
they're very much ahead of themselves in

658
00:27:48,780 --> 00:27:46,360
terms of communicating and controlling

659
00:27:52,830 --> 00:27:48,790
humans through the use of their eyes

660
00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:52,840
their mind now this then I then wrote a

661
00:27:57,600 --> 00:27:55,930
book called believed bridging the gap

662
00:28:00,000 --> 00:27:57,610
between the psychic in UFO phenomena

663
00:28:01,560 --> 00:28:00,010
which then was led on with sky crash

664
00:28:03,420 --> 00:28:01,570
throughout time because I know that I I

665
00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:03,430
teamed up with Brenda and I was doing a

666
00:28:09,020 --> 00:28:05,170
lot of investigations and Rendlesham

667
00:28:11,730 --> 00:28:09,030
forest which was the UK's number one

668
00:28:13,350 --> 00:28:11,740
Roswell then I wrote a book called

669
00:28:15,780 --> 00:28:13,360
pester eternity which kind of like

670
00:28:18,180 --> 00:28:15,790
highlighted upon the theoretical model

671
00:28:20,690 --> 00:28:18,190
of what the greys could and only say

672
00:28:23,430 --> 00:28:20,700
could represent it's only a theory

673
00:28:25,290 --> 00:28:23,440
because we as humans when we think about

674
00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:25,300
it we only think that we live and then

675
00:28:29,940 --> 00:28:27,490
we die that's it but I loved the firm

676
00:28:32,460 --> 00:28:29,950
conviction that the human soul survives

677
00:28:35,910 --> 00:28:32,470
death and this is something that led me

678
00:28:37,860 --> 00:28:35,920
into more areas of the greys because

679
00:28:40,140 --> 00:28:37,870
they're interested in reproduction human

680
00:28:42,300 --> 00:28:40,150
reproduction hybridization yet they

681
00:28:44,040 --> 00:28:42,310
can't reproduce and this is where I kind

682
00:28:46,140 --> 00:28:44,050
of like thought hmm what are they up to

683
00:28:51,060 --> 00:28:46,150
what are they after what they want and

684
00:28:56,970 --> 00:28:51,070
it was in 1996 I believe where I had my

685
00:28:58,380 --> 00:28:56,980
first ever download because Brenda gets

686
00:29:00,240 --> 00:28:58,390
down there bring the button that we're

687
00:29:03,090 --> 00:29:00,250
talking about the full rendition I don't

688
00:29:08,340 --> 00:29:03,100
believe Brenda gets download some much

689
00:29:10,020 --> 00:29:08,350
like the Jim yes it was the only one

690
00:29:11,910 --> 00:29:10,030
time that I had what they would call a

691
00:29:15,150 --> 00:29:11,920
download and if I may explain to the

692
00:29:17,790 --> 00:29:15,160
listeners what that feels like it's

693
00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:17,800
almost like a knowing it at one minute I

694
00:29:22,230 --> 00:29:20,170
was at work you know and I don't know

695
00:29:23,610 --> 00:29:22,240
thinking about because I'm I'm always

696
00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:23,620
think I don't think might not stop

697
00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:25,330
thinking I don't think about UFOs I'm

698
00:29:28,470 --> 00:29:27,250
thinking about psychic I'm thinking

699
00:29:29,460 --> 00:29:28,480
about the staff and trying to put the

700
00:29:31,860 --> 00:29:29,470
pieces together

701
00:29:33,540 --> 00:29:31,870
for the truth for the ultimate truth of

702
00:29:35,900 --> 00:29:33,550
what we're dealing with and on this

703
00:29:37,799 --> 00:29:35,910
particular day I can't remember what day

704
00:29:39,599 --> 00:29:37,809
but it was enlightened

705
00:29:41,459 --> 00:29:39,609
sex i I had this download and it was

706
00:29:42,869 --> 00:29:41,469
like a complete vision of everything I

707
00:29:44,729 --> 00:29:42,879
knew if I had to grab a piece of paper

708
00:29:47,279 --> 00:29:44,739
and a pen and I started furiously

709
00:29:49,169 --> 00:29:47,289
scribbling this formula down and what I

710
00:29:50,609 --> 00:29:49,179
was getting was the information that

711
00:29:53,580 --> 00:29:50,619
came through was that the Grays were

712
00:29:55,049 --> 00:29:53,590
cloning souls that there that they had

713
00:29:56,849 --> 00:29:55,059
cloned themselves from their original

714
00:29:58,680 --> 00:29:56,859
masters they could no longer reproduce

715
00:30:00,089 --> 00:29:58,690
and that they were abducting people

716
00:30:02,909 --> 00:30:00,099
because they were working on a

717
00:30:05,399 --> 00:30:02,919
hybridization program to try and create

718
00:30:07,560 --> 00:30:05,409
some form of gestation for their cloned

719
00:30:10,019 --> 00:30:07,570
souls or spark of consciousness to

720
00:30:13,560 --> 00:30:10,029
connect back to when we go to the

721
00:30:16,769 --> 00:30:13,570
religion or puppies went to so that was

722
00:30:18,060 --> 00:30:16,779
published in alien encounters that came

723
00:30:20,669 --> 00:30:18,070
out in a magazine called alien

724
00:30:24,089 --> 00:30:20,679
encounters back in the late 90s that was

725
00:30:26,310 --> 00:30:24,099
quite popular they published that and

726
00:30:29,159 --> 00:30:26,320
they considered revolutionary but that

727
00:30:36,409 --> 00:30:29,169
that's not where it ended because the

728
00:30:42,989 --> 00:30:39,450
striking down all halls of smoke and

729
00:30:47,339 --> 00:30:42,999
mirrors which led me into you know the

730
00:30:48,869 --> 00:30:47,349
Rendlesham case you know and we we were

731
00:30:50,310 --> 00:30:48,879
doing a lot of research and

732
00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:50,320
investigations under the recommendation

733
00:30:55,139 --> 00:30:52,450
of the brilliant and lovely Peter

734
00:30:57,859 --> 00:30:55,149
Robbins who my brother and I Susan had

735
00:31:00,869 --> 00:30:57,869
the esteemed pleasure many years ago

736
00:31:04,139 --> 00:31:00,879
unfortunately wonderful really kicked in

737
00:31:08,879 --> 00:31:04,149
the nuts by somebody but unfortunately

738
00:31:11,940 --> 00:31:08,889
but so he feels such a waste which I'll

739
00:31:14,369 --> 00:31:11,950
told which I told his date so it's silly

740
00:31:21,450 --> 00:31:14,379
because he's much appreciated in the UFO

741
00:31:23,249 --> 00:31:21,460
world and he suggested going out there

742
00:31:27,450 --> 00:31:23,259
so which we did Ronnie Susan and myself

743
00:31:29,310 --> 00:31:27,460
and we did a lot of experiments out

744
00:31:33,659 --> 00:31:29,320
there because we knew that there was

745
00:31:37,619 --> 00:31:33,669
something going on it's like the areas

746
00:31:39,889 --> 00:31:37,629
of like in America and skinwalker ranch

747
00:31:42,930 --> 00:31:39,899
you have these particular areas in

748
00:31:46,259 --> 00:31:42,940
around the world that have UFO activity

749
00:31:48,300 --> 00:31:46,269
but also seem to have a lot of

750
00:31:50,770 --> 00:31:48,310
paranormal

751
00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:50,780
experiences around that area like orbs

752
00:31:57,550 --> 00:31:53,330
and all these different things so we did

753
00:31:59,470 --> 00:31:57,560
an experiment and I will tell you for

754
00:32:05,440 --> 00:31:59,480
the record which has been which has been

755
00:32:08,890 --> 00:32:05,450
documented on the 8th of June in 1998 we

756
00:32:11,950 --> 00:32:08,900
we had seen a huge triangular object

757
00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:11,960
with a circular appendage in the

758
00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:14,090
football in the farmer's field

759
00:32:19,630 --> 00:32:17,690
to be correct just outside one pond

760
00:32:20,740 --> 00:32:19,640
perimeter of the forest and this had

761
00:32:22,540 --> 00:32:20,750
been done where we've done in this

762
00:32:25,510 --> 00:32:22,550
experiment at home a week before he went

763
00:32:27,250 --> 00:32:25,520
back to the forest we'd sent our

764
00:32:29,710 --> 00:32:27,260
intentions out through meditation and

765
00:32:31,660 --> 00:32:29,720
we'd ask them to show themselves to us

766
00:32:34,660 --> 00:32:31,670
we really wanted to see them we would

767
00:32:36,280 --> 00:32:34,670
take no camera equipment at all we

768
00:32:40,270 --> 00:32:36,290
wanted this to be a personal experience

769
00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:40,280
so the date was the 8th of June in 1998

770
00:32:44,860 --> 00:32:42,410
but we went there for to see if they

771
00:32:48,630 --> 00:32:44,870
would turn up and we'd gone into the

772
00:32:51,010 --> 00:32:48,640
forest into the field we used we used to

773
00:32:54,010 --> 00:32:51,020
you know hook up where we normally do

774
00:32:56,260 --> 00:32:54,020
and it was getting dark and of course

775
00:32:57,550 --> 00:32:56,270
you you can't be seen by the farmer

776
00:32:59,950 --> 00:32:57,560
that's across the field because he's

777
00:33:03,100 --> 00:32:59,960
worked on sometimes just to scare people

778
00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:03,110
off so we've got some dowsing rods and I

779
00:33:06,970 --> 00:33:04,730
doused them to the area of the field now

780
00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:06,980
at this time half the field was crop and

781
00:33:11,560 --> 00:33:09,410
half was just like barren land and I

782
00:33:13,810 --> 00:33:11,570
found a place I thought was the area

783
00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:13,820
where the original UFO came came

784
00:33:18,250 --> 00:33:15,890
originally I can't be sure of that

785
00:33:20,050 --> 00:33:18,260
because you know at that point I didn't

786
00:33:23,010 --> 00:33:20,060
really have a lot of information about

787
00:33:25,810 --> 00:33:23,020
what had happened with regards to

788
00:33:28,420 --> 00:33:25,820
Rendlesham until I met Brenda

789
00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:28,430
some years later but we found the spot

790
00:33:31,990 --> 00:33:30,410
and both Ronald Susan a good friend of

791
00:33:34,870 --> 00:33:32,000
ours Susan and myself sat in a circle

792
00:33:37,930 --> 00:33:34,880
and meditated Eames a lovely night stars

793
00:33:39,700 --> 00:33:37,940
round it was a full moon and this was

794
00:33:42,730 --> 00:33:39,710
roughly around about I think quarter to

795
00:33:45,370 --> 00:33:42,740
10:00 at night we've meditated now we

796
00:33:46,660 --> 00:33:45,380
can under meditation I mean who would

797
00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:46,670
have believed if anyone seen these three

798
00:33:52,690 --> 00:33:48,050
people sit in the middle of this field

799
00:33:54,700 --> 00:33:52,700
this time of night we got up and we

800
00:33:57,520 --> 00:33:54,710
thought well would we have a look around

801
00:33:58,890 --> 00:33:57,530
and we saw this red light and it was

802
00:34:00,990 --> 00:33:58,900
coming from the

803
00:34:04,380 --> 00:34:01,000
the farmers what we thought was the

804
00:34:06,150 --> 00:34:04,390
farmers house and it was it was coming

805
00:34:08,430 --> 00:34:06,160
towards us and we thought oh my god we

806
00:34:09,869 --> 00:34:08,440
the farmer seen us he's gone his car and

807
00:34:11,730 --> 00:34:09,879
he's coming across the field

808
00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:11,740
we started run back and I stopped and I

809
00:34:17,550 --> 00:34:14,530
turned back round and I found that they

810
00:34:20,970 --> 00:34:17,560
though it wasn't a car car lights aren't

811
00:34:24,180 --> 00:34:20,980
red and it was moving towards us and

812
00:34:26,070 --> 00:34:24,190
then it shot across the field shot

813
00:34:29,940 --> 00:34:26,080
straight across the field so fast we

814
00:34:31,470 --> 00:34:29,950
thought wow that was amazing what the

815
00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:31,480
hell was that we thought that was it

816
00:34:35,700 --> 00:34:33,970
we thought that was it until there was a

817
00:34:38,100 --> 00:34:35,710
flash of light from the other side of

818
00:34:40,080 --> 00:34:38,110
the field where these trees were and the

819
00:34:41,790 --> 00:34:40,090
only way I can explain it to you was

820
00:34:44,430 --> 00:34:41,800
that there was this triangular it's like

821
00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:44,440
a pyramid it flashed it appeared and

822
00:34:49,889 --> 00:34:46,690
there was a gap and a circular on the

823
00:34:50,369 --> 00:34:49,899
carriage underneath it and it made no

824
00:34:52,680 --> 00:34:50,379
sound

825
00:34:54,419 --> 00:34:52,690
it was brilliant color of white and

826
00:34:57,210 --> 00:34:54,429
different colors emanating from the

827
00:35:00,090 --> 00:34:57,220
inside of the triangle and the circle

828
00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:00,100
undercarriage was moving one way it was

829
00:35:03,510 --> 00:35:02,050
like a clock yeah you know we got clock

830
00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:03,520
one moving one way and the other moving

831
00:35:08,010 --> 00:35:05,290
the other so the triangle was moving

832
00:35:09,690 --> 00:35:08,020
around in a circle one way and the the

833
00:35:12,270 --> 00:35:09,700
circular appendage with blue lights

834
00:35:15,210 --> 00:35:12,280
around its central hub was moving the

835
00:35:20,070 --> 00:35:15,220
other well that was it I started to run

836
00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:20,080
towards it and I ran across the field I

837
00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:21,970
remembered my jeans getting soaked this

838
00:35:26,160 --> 00:35:24,370
was the holy grail for me it was the

839
00:35:27,330 --> 00:35:26,170
most strangest and yet beautiful thing

840
00:35:29,160 --> 00:35:27,340
I've ever seen in my life

841
00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:29,170
I didn't stop to think at that point

842
00:35:33,510 --> 00:35:30,970
because I was confirming shutting back

843
00:35:35,430 --> 00:35:33,520
telling tell me it's triangular tell me

844
00:35:36,990 --> 00:35:35,440
this circular appendage because I was

845
00:35:39,060 --> 00:35:37,000
trying to confirm with the others who

846
00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:39,070
were running after me that that is what

847
00:35:44,220 --> 00:35:42,610
we were seeing well the closer I got I

848
00:35:46,710 --> 00:35:44,230
mean it was incredible and then I

849
00:35:48,780 --> 00:35:46,720
remembered I got under it and then I it

850
00:35:50,790 --> 00:35:48,790
just went out like someone had turned

851
00:35:53,210 --> 00:35:50,800
some lights off and I slipped fell I

852
00:35:57,350 --> 00:35:53,220
took in a load of dirt in my mouth I

853
00:36:01,320 --> 00:35:57,360
spat it out and I then started to I

854
00:36:03,050 --> 00:36:01,330
laugh I laugh I I cried and I laughed I

855
00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:03,060
cried out laugh because I thought no

856
00:36:09,830 --> 00:36:06,210
elation yeah no one who in the world

857
00:36:12,140 --> 00:36:09,840
well it got even stranger David because

858
00:36:15,230 --> 00:36:12,150
we we talk nothing about

859
00:36:16,760 --> 00:36:15,240
this and you know we kept talking about

860
00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:16,770
over and over again it was the most

861
00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:19,770
incredible thing now I contacted I can't

862
00:36:24,410 --> 00:36:22,170
be sure if it was UFO magazine David

863
00:36:27,079 --> 00:36:24,420
Icke it was one I'm sure it was and I

864
00:36:29,329 --> 00:36:27,089
spoke to a person called reinforce his

865
00:36:31,940 --> 00:36:29,339
lay and however I tried to spell this

866
00:36:33,710 --> 00:36:31,950
name the man on the other end was very

867
00:36:35,690 --> 00:36:33,720
accommodating it's like and I remember

868
00:36:37,460 --> 00:36:35,700
briam Forks and he said all can use this

869
00:36:38,710 --> 00:36:37,470
is the next day because I didn't sleep I

870
00:36:42,829 --> 00:36:38,720
didn't eat I was still on a high

871
00:36:45,079 --> 00:36:42,839
beautiful day the next day can you send

872
00:36:48,079 --> 00:36:45,089
me everything pictures anything you have

873
00:36:50,690 --> 00:36:48,089
which we did a package it sent it to the

874
00:36:52,130 --> 00:36:50,700
magazine and nothing back and when I

875
00:36:54,319 --> 00:36:52,140
phoned back up and found the magazine

876
00:36:56,120 --> 00:36:54,329
back up and asked so they said they

877
00:36:58,940 --> 00:36:56,130
don't have anyone here at that name now

878
00:37:00,230 --> 00:36:58,950
I don't and they said the editor said

879
00:37:02,779 --> 00:37:00,240
he'd send everything to Peter Robinson

880
00:37:04,700 --> 00:37:02,789
and I hadn't mentioned Peter honest at

881
00:37:07,370 --> 00:37:04,710
all I mean he didn't know that we we had

882
00:37:10,609 --> 00:37:07,380
met him but of course we do we do now it

883
00:37:13,819 --> 00:37:10,619
was hard but that was very so yeah and

884
00:37:15,799 --> 00:37:13,829
that was one of the and then of course

885
00:37:17,779 --> 00:37:15,809
that's where I met Brenda Butler I

886
00:37:18,859 --> 00:37:17,789
didn't know where she was in the world I

887
00:37:21,079 --> 00:37:18,869
wasn't out there doing investigations

888
00:37:22,579 --> 00:37:21,089
again and I said I'd really love to meet

889
00:37:24,170 --> 00:37:22,589
Brenda Butler on that very night that we

890
00:37:27,260 --> 00:37:24,180
were investigating in huge again we met

891
00:37:30,140 --> 00:37:27,270
we met they're still investigating you

892
00:37:32,569 --> 00:37:30,150
know yeah and then we teamed together

893
00:37:34,849 --> 00:37:32,579
and then we wrote wrote the book sky

894
00:37:36,829 --> 00:37:34,859
crashed throughout time a continued

895
00:37:38,839 --> 00:37:36,839
investigation to the rental Rendlesham

896
00:37:41,809 --> 00:37:38,849
UFO mystery which kappa been brought out

897
00:37:43,370 --> 00:37:41,819
in 2013 i believe and that was more to

898
00:37:44,930 --> 00:37:43,380
do with her a lot of what bender was

899
00:37:48,230 --> 00:37:44,940
involved in and sightings before and

900
00:37:50,599 --> 00:37:48,240
afterwards so that that's where that

901
00:38:00,440 --> 00:37:50,609
project led so you can see David that

902
00:38:03,079 --> 00:38:00,450
you know I seem to be met with you're

903
00:38:05,839 --> 00:38:03,089
clairvoyant life and when did that will

904
00:38:08,240 --> 00:38:05,849
start in real childhood or what do you

905
00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:08,250
think there's something as enhanced that

906
00:38:15,109 --> 00:38:10,410
through your maybe your implant in your

907
00:38:18,410 --> 00:38:15,119
ear David I couldn't I can tell you is

908
00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:18,420
that I can only are not putting things

909
00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:20,490
together in saying this is mrs. exactly

910
00:38:25,099 --> 00:38:23,010
how it happened it's possible that you

911
00:38:25,970 --> 00:38:25,109
know and I know that I we had some very

912
00:38:28,849 --> 00:38:25,980
strange things had

913
00:38:31,340 --> 00:38:28,859
to us as kids anyway and you know I

914
00:38:33,380 --> 00:38:31,350
believe that thinking about this it's

915
00:38:35,330 --> 00:38:33,390
not like oh look at me I'm special then

916
00:38:36,920 --> 00:38:35,340
I've never been like that I've been more

917
00:38:39,080 --> 00:38:36,930
of a curious person I've always tried to

918
00:38:42,109 --> 00:38:39,090
find out how things work them putting

919
00:38:48,680 --> 00:38:42,119
things together but the clairvoyant

920
00:38:50,210 --> 00:38:48,690
ability activated in in 1999 and and but

921
00:38:51,380 --> 00:38:50,220
I believe that it's been with me since a

922
00:38:52,700 --> 00:38:51,390
child because you read a lot of these

923
00:38:54,980 --> 00:38:52,710
stories and I've read a lot of books

924
00:38:56,300 --> 00:38:54,990
about a lot of mediums and how brilliant

925
00:38:58,670 --> 00:38:56,310
they are and all the rest of it but

926
00:39:00,770 --> 00:38:58,680
really I wrote a book called reaching

927
00:39:02,510 --> 00:39:00,780
for divine which one was my first

928
00:39:04,340 --> 00:39:02,520
published book which dealt with the

929
00:39:07,120 --> 00:39:04,350
psychic phenomena and trying to explain

930
00:39:10,010 --> 00:39:07,130
the process of how that works and

931
00:39:11,720 --> 00:39:10,020
explaining also that it you know mediums

932
00:39:13,370 --> 00:39:11,730
do have their problems through

933
00:39:15,290 --> 00:39:13,380
communication I'm a discard at

934
00:39:19,190 --> 00:39:15,300
communication is not one of them least

935
00:39:21,230 --> 00:39:19,200
things for anyone to do but again I

936
00:39:24,500 --> 00:39:21,240
remembered seeing a brilliant medium

937
00:39:27,380 --> 00:39:24,510
called pearl that I eyed for the very

938
00:39:29,690 --> 00:39:27,390
first time in my life where my

939
00:39:32,540 --> 00:39:29,700
grandmother had passed over and she told

940
00:39:34,670 --> 00:39:32,550
me she said to me that you've had UFO

941
00:39:38,180 --> 00:39:34,680
experiences and she said you've had an

942
00:39:40,580 --> 00:39:38,190
encounter with with a group of them and

943
00:39:42,770 --> 00:39:40,590
I was shocked and she said to me and she

944
00:39:48,109 --> 00:39:42,780
said you're going to be a medium this is

945
00:39:49,609 --> 00:39:48,119
this was back in 1997 no I think roughly

946
00:39:51,380 --> 00:39:49,619
around there I can't remember the exact

947
00:39:53,030 --> 00:39:51,390
ticket and I thought she said you're

948
00:39:54,710 --> 00:39:53,040
gonna make a connection between the UFO

949
00:39:56,750 --> 00:39:54,720
and psychic phenomena and I thought well

950
00:39:58,849 --> 00:39:56,760
what connection is that she said you'll

951
00:40:01,880 --> 00:39:58,859
it'll come to you so at that point I

952
00:40:04,880 --> 00:40:01,890
realized that as individuals as souls as

953
00:40:07,040 --> 00:40:04,890
ourselves we're all important and we're

954
00:40:09,530 --> 00:40:07,050
all connected and that I believe that

955
00:40:11,210 --> 00:40:09,540
there is life after death I believe that

956
00:40:13,760 --> 00:40:11,220
the continuation of consciousness I

957
00:40:15,710 --> 00:40:13,770
believe also David that there are other

958
00:40:19,160 --> 00:40:15,720
interdimensional entities accessing our

959
00:40:21,740 --> 00:40:19,170
unbilled of dimension they are very

960
00:40:23,320 --> 00:40:21,750
interested in us as a species could this

961
00:40:25,940 --> 00:40:23,330
be some form of past life connection

962
00:40:28,070 --> 00:40:25,950
could this be some spiritual connection

963
00:40:30,920 --> 00:40:28,080
are there as kathleen Mardon quite

964
00:40:34,070 --> 00:40:30,930
beautifully put a faction of rogue greys

965
00:40:37,490 --> 00:40:34,080
I did like that as a railroad humans you

966
00:40:39,810 --> 00:40:37,500
don't know so this is this is where this

967
00:40:41,910 --> 00:40:39,820
has led me not just into the UFO field

968
00:40:44,340 --> 00:40:41,920
the psychic investigations and the

969
00:40:46,440 --> 00:40:44,350
really really cranky part is that people

970
00:40:48,960 --> 00:40:46,450
like to keep them separate they they'd

971
00:40:50,220 --> 00:40:48,970
like to deal with the UFO department on

972
00:40:52,320 --> 00:40:50,230
its own and they'd like to deal with the

973
00:40:53,520 --> 00:40:52,330
psychic department on its own what I am

974
00:40:55,800 --> 00:40:53,530
and I know there's a few other

975
00:40:57,810 --> 00:40:55,810
researchers as well they were doing this

976
00:41:00,540 --> 00:40:57,820
trying to combine two together trying to

977
00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:00,550
connect the dots together in this so

978
00:41:04,680 --> 00:41:02,890
that that's that's where that that led

979
00:41:07,500 --> 00:41:04,690
me in terms of my research with regards

980
00:41:09,720 --> 00:41:07,510
to that yeah few years ago like I said

981
00:41:11,250 --> 00:41:09,730
on a few other programs I couldn't see

982
00:41:13,530 --> 00:41:11,260
any connections with them like oh

983
00:41:14,940 --> 00:41:13,540
spiritualism and UFOs everything but

984
00:41:16,620 --> 00:41:14,950
it's only after over the last few years

985
00:41:18,480 --> 00:41:16,630
that I've sort of kind of started

986
00:41:20,040 --> 00:41:18,490
thinking there's something in this you

987
00:41:23,600 --> 00:41:20,050
know with the when you hear about the

988
00:41:26,130 --> 00:41:23,610
reptilians and the greys and and

989
00:41:27,630 --> 00:41:26,140
dimensional beings and everything else I

990
00:41:31,620 --> 00:41:27,640
really do think it is all connected

991
00:41:33,450 --> 00:41:31,630
thought you'd like you do yes like how

992
00:41:34,860 --> 00:41:33,460
are they able to access our dimension I

993
00:41:36,360 --> 00:41:34,870
mean you know what makes me laugh as a

994
00:41:38,070 --> 00:41:36,370
scientist think they've got to do it our

995
00:41:39,450 --> 00:41:38,080
way they may have found a completely

996
00:41:41,010 --> 00:41:39,460
different way they may have found a way

997
00:41:43,170 --> 00:41:41,020
to stand in their consciousness without

998
00:41:44,940 --> 00:41:43,180
using bodies they may be able to project

999
00:41:46,290 --> 00:41:44,950
themselves like the military the secret

1000
00:41:48,480 --> 00:41:46,300
military elite have been doing with

1001
00:41:51,480 --> 00:41:48,490
remote viewing I mean you know because

1002
00:41:53,640 --> 00:41:51,490
the way that I see it when I met dr.

1003
00:41:55,680 --> 00:41:53,650
David Jacobs in Arizona

1004
00:41:57,180 --> 00:41:55,690
I mean his race and research is

1005
00:42:00,270 --> 00:41:57,190
faultless as well he believes that

1006
00:42:02,580 --> 00:42:00,280
they're here to repopulate the planet

1007
00:42:04,290 --> 00:42:02,590
I'm not disputing that but from my

1008
00:42:06,240 --> 00:42:04,300
perspective I thought no they're

1009
00:42:08,940 --> 00:42:06,250
interested in reproduction for a

1010
00:42:12,570 --> 00:42:08,950
particular reason and the reason is

1011
00:42:14,760 --> 00:42:12,580
because I believe that they have lost

1012
00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:14,770
themselves through the act of cloning

1013
00:42:19,260 --> 00:42:16,810
and that they are trying to reintroduce

1014
00:42:22,050 --> 00:42:19,270
themselves back into creation because

1015
00:42:25,290 --> 00:42:22,060
from my perspective certain faction of

1016
00:42:27,840 --> 00:42:25,300
grace not all of them may have lost

1017
00:42:31,440 --> 00:42:27,850
themselves to this this form over of

1018
00:42:33,750 --> 00:42:31,450
cloning we have to think on an on an

1019
00:42:35,820 --> 00:42:33,760
empathic level for instance if I was to

1020
00:42:40,110 --> 00:42:35,830
clone you delivered a million times in a

1021
00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:40,120
laboratory you you you yourself or the

1022
00:42:43,770 --> 00:42:42,010
natural process of reproduction you've

1023
00:42:45,420 --> 00:42:43,780
come through the correct now memories

1024
00:42:47,880 --> 00:42:45,430
from a spirit world members for past

1025
00:42:49,890 --> 00:42:47,890
future whatever your clones will only

1026
00:42:51,990 --> 00:42:49,900
have the memory one single imprint of

1027
00:42:53,200 --> 00:42:52,000
one single life one single memory so

1028
00:42:56,590 --> 00:42:53,210
that when those physics

1029
00:42:59,350 --> 00:42:56,600
groans die my hypothesis is if this

1030
00:43:01,210 --> 00:42:59,360
happened to the Grays that spark of

1031
00:43:03,850 --> 00:43:01,220
consciousness may have amalgamated

1032
00:43:06,400 --> 00:43:03,860
itself as one mind hive consciousness on

1033
00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:06,410
a different level of reality and that

1034
00:43:09,250 --> 00:43:07,970
they found a world that can reproduce

1035
00:43:11,710 --> 00:43:09,260
because they're interested in

1036
00:43:13,810 --> 00:43:11,720
reproduction and as possible they want

1037
00:43:16,330 --> 00:43:13,820
to propel themselves back to where we go

1038
00:43:17,980 --> 00:43:16,340
to or it could even be that there

1039
00:43:21,280 --> 00:43:17,990
there's a bigger part of us that we're

1040
00:43:22,750 --> 00:43:21,290
not really yet aware of and we're still

1041
00:43:25,510 --> 00:43:22,760
looking for that and I'm not saying that

1042
00:43:27,640 --> 00:43:25,520
my theory is set no I'm open to all

1043
00:43:29,140 --> 00:43:27,650
forms of theoretical debate whether it's

1044
00:43:30,490 --> 00:43:29,150
us from the future which was quite

1045
00:43:32,500 --> 00:43:30,500
possibly could be us from the future

1046
00:43:34,690 --> 00:43:32,510
we've we've mapped art and now we're

1047
00:43:37,060 --> 00:43:34,700
coming back to try and salvage what we

1048
00:43:39,280 --> 00:43:37,070
can or you know there could be advanced

1049
00:43:41,010 --> 00:43:39,290
bio mechanical machines that have been

1050
00:43:43,270 --> 00:43:41,020
sent as Scouts cross universe to

1051
00:43:44,520 --> 00:43:43,280
investigate us I mean all these things

1052
00:43:48,610 --> 00:43:44,530
have to be looked at

1053
00:43:57,190 --> 00:43:48,620
we need your quality pieces do do ideas

1054
00:43:58,660 --> 00:43:57,200
ever pop up in your and that's something

1055
00:44:00,760 --> 00:43:58,670
that's quite interesting I mean you know

1056
00:44:02,650 --> 00:44:00,770
I'm dealing with survival evidence more

1057
00:44:05,860 --> 00:44:02,660
times than on five days a week I'm

1058
00:44:10,240 --> 00:44:05,870
dealing with the time so but not once no

1059
00:44:12,430 --> 00:44:10,250
I don't get these things everything's a

1060
00:44:14,740 --> 00:44:12,440
living living you think if something

1061
00:44:16,420 --> 00:44:14,750
dies and it's alien or human or whatever

1062
00:44:18,970 --> 00:44:16,430
you think that these things would all

1063
00:44:21,580 --> 00:44:18,980
come together and in the afterlife on

1064
00:44:22,540 --> 00:44:21,590
you yeah if you see what is interesting

1065
00:44:24,910 --> 00:44:22,550
though what is it

1066
00:44:26,740 --> 00:44:24,920
definitely absolutely definitely but

1067
00:44:29,350 --> 00:44:26,750
what's also interesting David is that as

1068
00:44:30,790 --> 00:44:29,360
a clairvoyant medium I see orbs around

1069
00:44:33,040 --> 00:44:30,800
people they come in different colors

1070
00:44:36,340 --> 00:44:33,050
they're very very bright now what do

1071
00:44:38,050 --> 00:44:36,350
UFOs come as lights different colored

1072
00:44:41,710 --> 00:44:38,060
lights but they're much much more

1073
00:44:44,440 --> 00:44:41,720
intense they're much more overwhelming

1074
00:44:45,580 --> 00:44:44,450
so I do believe that when we're dealing

1075
00:44:47,410 --> 00:44:45,590
with the dead and we're dealing with

1076
00:44:50,050 --> 00:44:47,420
UFOs they're operating on slightly

1077
00:44:52,060 --> 00:44:50,060
different vibrations of reality they're

1078
00:44:54,190 --> 00:44:52,070
probably coming into our dimension in

1079
00:44:58,090 --> 00:44:54,200
ways that we could probably not even

1080
00:45:00,610 --> 00:44:58,100
believe you know so I'm absolutely of

1081
00:45:02,290 --> 00:45:00,620
the firm conviction that we're dealing

1082
00:45:05,140 --> 00:45:02,300
with interdimensional entities as

1083
00:45:06,520 --> 00:45:05,150
opposed to physical entities because

1084
00:45:06,850 --> 00:45:06,530
that's the only way they can get through

1085
00:45:11,110 --> 00:45:06,860
to

1086
00:45:13,510 --> 00:45:11,120
encounter I'm talking in terms of the

1087
00:45:15,880 --> 00:45:13,520
greys here and not all of them as I said

1088
00:45:17,710 --> 00:45:15,890
we have different species of humans we

1089
00:45:19,900 --> 00:45:17,720
have rogue humans we have good humans

1090
00:45:21,790 --> 00:45:19,910
you know why isn't it why would it be

1091
00:45:24,660 --> 00:45:21,800
any different for like the greys for

1092
00:45:27,700 --> 00:45:24,670
example because they have always

1093
00:45:30,430 --> 00:45:27,710
maintained their physiology in terms of

1094
00:45:32,350 --> 00:45:30,440
their their 3 feet they large heads with

1095
00:45:35,230 --> 00:45:32,360
a wraparound eyes and the way that they

1096
00:45:38,130 --> 00:45:35,240
do things is universal so that's where

1097
00:45:40,900 --> 00:45:38,140
my main forte with the greys Grey's are

1098
00:45:43,150 --> 00:45:40,910
and always has been within my research

1099
00:45:44,770 --> 00:45:43,160
because I'm fascinated by them and they

1100
00:45:51,100 --> 00:45:44,780
do fascinate me because they are they

1101
00:45:52,780 --> 00:45:51,110
are every effect I did with your um sky

1102
00:45:55,170 --> 00:45:52,790
correct book with Brenda this brilliant

1103
00:45:57,370 --> 00:45:55,180
book I mean something that's actually

1104
00:46:00,130 --> 00:45:57,380
fascinated me was I was hoping you might

1105
00:46:02,560 --> 00:46:00,140
take a bit up then David Daniels the

1106
00:46:07,390 --> 00:46:02,570
reptilian within it oh yes I found that

1107
00:46:09,540 --> 00:46:07,400
very very creepy yeah I mean it was true

1108
00:46:13,240 --> 00:46:09,550
I mean all the people that I interviewed

1109
00:46:14,740 --> 00:46:13,250
very down-to-earth solid people met this

1110
00:46:20,940 --> 00:46:14,750
guy and they were all scared of him

1111
00:46:26,440 --> 00:46:24,460
was absolutely terrified well I mean you

1112
00:46:29,860 --> 00:46:26,450
know it turned out that he'd found

1113
00:46:31,300 --> 00:46:29,870
himself you know in these places and he

1114
00:46:33,490 --> 00:46:31,310
wants to meet with you I follow shows I

1115
00:46:37,000 --> 00:46:33,500
know that he met with Jenny Randall's

1116
00:46:38,290 --> 00:46:37,010
very briefly Fennell Wendell Stevens he

1117
00:46:39,730 --> 00:46:38,300
was getting to all the people he was

1118
00:46:41,410 --> 00:46:39,740
very strange and I'm absolutely

1119
00:46:43,360 --> 00:46:41,420
convinced that my brother and Susan and

1120
00:46:45,550 --> 00:46:43,370
I met him long before that we were

1121
00:46:49,240 --> 00:46:45,560
involved with Rendlesham when we all

1122
00:46:51,100 --> 00:46:49,250
brenda when we've gone to a pub in in

1123
00:46:54,250 --> 00:46:51,110
suffolk and we didn't have anything to

1124
00:46:55,350 --> 00:46:54,260
drink which was disappointing but never

1125
00:46:58,840 --> 00:46:55,360
mind

1126
00:47:00,370 --> 00:46:58,850
so and this guy came out and and my

1127
00:47:01,930 --> 00:47:00,380
brother and susan said they saw his

1128
00:47:03,580 --> 00:47:01,940
right arm changed to plastic and he

1129
00:47:05,170 --> 00:47:03,590
wouldn't leave us alone and do you know

1130
00:47:06,700 --> 00:47:05,180
it's really weird he followed us into

1131
00:47:08,320 --> 00:47:06,710
the forest what can you do missed I

1132
00:47:10,870 --> 00:47:08,330
watched there with it with beans then

1133
00:47:12,940 --> 00:47:10,880
which is a narrow mystery society and

1134
00:47:14,650 --> 00:47:12,950
and he wouldn't leave us alone and you

1135
00:47:16,600 --> 00:47:14,660
know what David I'm absolutely convinced

1136
00:47:18,250 --> 00:47:16,610
that was him he used the name Joseph and

1137
00:47:20,559 --> 00:47:18,260
it some people say no you didn't but why

1138
00:47:24,609 --> 00:47:20,569
not I mean you know you know

1139
00:47:27,189 --> 00:47:24,619
why not he was a very he he was a very

1140
00:47:28,659 --> 00:47:27,199
strange character and he has been

1141
00:47:31,029 --> 00:47:28,669
documented so that is something that's

1142
00:47:33,909 --> 00:47:31,039
very good he just he just I think he

1143
00:47:35,620 --> 00:47:33,919
just mess with everyone's minds he just

1144
00:47:38,620 --> 00:47:35,630
was all over the place yet he could

1145
00:47:40,809 --> 00:47:38,630
perform these amazing things so I know

1146
00:47:44,549 --> 00:47:40,819
that the people in high establishments

1147
00:47:55,029 --> 00:47:51,939
very where do we apparently when we've

1148
00:47:58,779 --> 00:47:55,039
gone there I don't know but it was never

1149
00:48:01,719 --> 00:47:58,789
anything and he was a caravan l-sit know

1150
00:48:03,189 --> 00:48:01,729
who yes that's right it seemed perfect

1151
00:48:03,969 --> 00:48:03,199
every time he had these powers he could

1152
00:48:06,130 --> 00:48:03,979
read minds

1153
00:48:07,929 --> 00:48:06,140
I mean he you know he said he's from the

1154
00:48:09,339 --> 00:48:07,939
Pleiades and that there was a war or

1155
00:48:12,130 --> 00:48:09,349
there's some type of war going on and

1156
00:48:14,529 --> 00:48:12,140
and he met with some very influential

1157
00:48:17,829 --> 00:48:14,539
figures within our society so an hmm

1158
00:48:19,449 --> 00:48:17,839
seriously as well so that that's in

1159
00:48:21,219 --> 00:48:19,459
stein crash that without that was all

1160
00:48:24,809 --> 00:48:21,229
documented in stein crash throughout

1161
00:48:29,499 --> 00:48:24,819
time that kappa been brought out in 2013

1162
00:48:31,299 --> 00:48:29,509
that was quite a project to work on yeah

1163
00:48:34,659 --> 00:48:31,309
that you didn't do too well now that

1164
00:48:36,399 --> 00:48:34,669
book apparently if they do that you know

1165
00:48:41,439 --> 00:48:36,409
it's not very easy book to get a hold of

1166
00:48:43,239 --> 00:48:41,449
is it apparently they publish quite a

1167
00:48:46,239 --> 00:48:43,249
lot of mind-body-spirit books but very

1168
00:48:48,189 --> 00:48:46,249
sadly John Day has passed over and I and

1169
00:48:49,209 --> 00:48:48,199
I think the publishing companies and

1170
00:48:51,880 --> 00:48:49,219
some of disarray

1171
00:48:53,739 --> 00:48:51,890
so what's still trying to work through

1172
00:48:56,829 --> 00:48:53,749
another company that's dealing with them

1173
00:48:59,199 --> 00:48:56,839
to sort sort this all out but you know

1174
00:49:00,609 --> 00:48:59,209
I'm sure that walk in that sort is

1175
00:49:02,529 --> 00:49:00,619
should be I think it should be made

1176
00:49:03,789 --> 00:49:02,539
available again because it's and I'm

1177
00:49:07,449 --> 00:49:03,799
sure a lot of people would like to get

1178
00:49:08,769 --> 00:49:07,459
their hands on a copy yes that's right I

1179
00:49:11,559 --> 00:49:08,779
mean they can they can buy it through

1180
00:49:13,779 --> 00:49:11,569
the site still kept a ban I think they

1181
00:49:14,679 --> 00:49:13,789
can still get it there but I don't quite

1182
00:49:16,390 --> 00:49:14,689
know what's happening with that

1183
00:49:18,640 --> 00:49:16,400
publishing company at all at the moment

1184
00:49:19,929 --> 00:49:18,650
say they were very good they brought up

1185
00:49:23,979 --> 00:49:19,939
the other books but then obviously

1186
00:49:25,569 --> 00:49:23,989
there's tragedies and it's don't know

1187
00:49:31,649 --> 00:49:25,579
what's happening with it the moment one

1188
00:49:34,120 --> 00:49:31,659
of the ungodly agenda what's that one oh

1189
00:49:38,380 --> 00:49:34,130
yes

1190
00:49:40,329 --> 00:49:38,390
ungodly agenda we have David Saperstein

1191
00:49:43,210 --> 00:49:40,339
the author of cocoon they made his book

1192
00:49:45,099 --> 00:49:43,220
into a Hollywood film David Saperstein

1193
00:49:47,349 --> 00:49:45,109
he wrote was cuckoo metamorphosis

1194
00:49:49,870 --> 00:49:47,359
butterfly and his good friend of ours is

1195
00:49:52,089 --> 00:49:49,880
a professor from New York but he we

1196
00:49:55,089 --> 00:49:52,099
wrote this book about reptilians who

1197
00:49:57,630 --> 00:49:55,099
were basically watching the world and a

1198
00:49:59,890 --> 00:49:57,640
female heroine gets involved in this

1199
00:50:01,420 --> 00:49:59,900
satellite program that she doesn't know

1200
00:50:03,579 --> 00:50:01,430
what it's about and then she ends up

1201
00:50:05,589 --> 00:50:03,589
finding out that these aliens that are

1202
00:50:07,779 --> 00:50:05,599
linked with the secret military elite

1203
00:50:10,269 --> 00:50:07,789
are after something they want something

1204
00:50:15,039 --> 00:50:10,279
on the earth and and they're looking for

1205
00:50:18,039 --> 00:50:15,049
I won't give too much away within it to

1206
00:50:20,859 --> 00:50:18,049
turn to you've learned we've been told

1207
00:50:22,719 --> 00:50:20,869
so David we run old and I have been been

1208
00:50:24,370 --> 00:50:22,729
told so because that was wrong that was

1209
00:50:26,769 --> 00:50:24,380
more Ronald's project to mine I've had a

1210
00:50:30,009 --> 00:50:26,779
few ideas in there but though there is a

1211
00:50:31,299 --> 00:50:30,019
lot I believe that is truth and they

1212
00:50:33,940 --> 00:50:31,309
always say don't know the best way to

1213
00:50:36,759 --> 00:50:33,950
get anything that's fiction those true

1214
00:50:38,739 --> 00:50:36,769
story is through fiction and sometimes

1215
00:50:41,229 --> 00:50:38,749
you have to be very careful but yeah we

1216
00:50:43,390 --> 00:50:41,239
we we've this idea together both money

1217
00:50:44,259 --> 00:50:43,400
and I and he he pulled his heart and

1218
00:50:46,029 --> 00:50:44,269
soul into it

1219
00:50:48,009 --> 00:50:46,039
it had some quite good reviews I believe

1220
00:50:49,569 --> 00:50:48,019
I think it did quite well there's a huge

1221
00:50:54,759 --> 00:50:49,579
listing book um uh so but strong get old

1222
00:50:57,729 --> 00:50:54,769
would copy myself that was that's a

1223
00:51:02,259 --> 00:51:00,309
disclosure movement do you any thoughts

1224
00:51:05,979 --> 00:51:02,269
on that do you think we get any closer

1225
00:51:07,900 --> 00:51:05,989
to it like I don't think so David I

1226
00:51:09,880 --> 00:51:07,910
really don't know we keep hearing all

1227
00:51:13,359 --> 00:51:09,890
this disclosure and I know that you know

1228
00:51:15,009 --> 00:51:13,369
dr. Steven Greer tried and other people

1229
00:51:18,069 --> 00:51:15,019
but I'm going to tell you now there is a

1230
00:51:19,569 --> 00:51:18,079
wall that's stopping the good public

1231
00:51:21,569 --> 00:51:19,579
from knowing about this because I think

1232
00:51:23,529 --> 00:51:21,579
you know if we just look at the the

1233
00:51:25,870 --> 00:51:23,539
political problems we have at the moment

1234
00:51:28,809 --> 00:51:25,880
and how that's being engineered through

1235
00:51:31,839 --> 00:51:28,819
brexit and how your manipulation lies

1236
00:51:33,279 --> 00:51:31,849
deceit you know and look what's

1237
00:51:35,279 --> 00:51:33,289
happening with that new uterus tells

1238
00:51:38,440 --> 00:51:35,289
someone about there's a water shortage

1239
00:51:39,700 --> 00:51:38,450
in Sainsbury's or Tesco's so there's

1240
00:51:41,380 --> 00:51:39,710
going to be a petrol shortage they're

1241
00:51:43,660 --> 00:51:41,390
going to q1 so you can't get any petrol

1242
00:51:46,509 --> 00:51:43,670
you know how will they manage how on

1243
00:51:47,980 --> 00:51:46,519
earth will they manage the reality and

1244
00:51:51,060 --> 00:51:47,990
the acknowledgement that

1245
00:51:52,930 --> 00:51:51,070
we are being visited by not so much

1246
00:51:54,850 --> 00:51:52,940
extraterrestrials but I would call them

1247
00:51:57,790 --> 00:51:54,860
into dimensionals that will scare

1248
00:52:00,460 --> 00:51:57,800
Raphael of people good people who have

1249
00:52:04,000 --> 00:52:00,470
been programmed the system's way whereas

1250
00:52:10,650 --> 00:52:04,010
people like you and I many other people

1251
00:52:13,630 --> 00:52:10,660
[Laughter]

1252
00:52:15,610 --> 00:52:13,640
that figure of doubt upon the those that

1253
00:52:23,230 --> 00:52:15,620
reckon that we need to be locked away I

1254
00:52:29,980 --> 00:52:23,240
think it's an interesting sighs I must

1255
00:52:32,740 --> 00:52:29,990
say fascinated by it I've I'm after the

1256
00:52:35,440 --> 00:52:32,750
truth I'm unlinked as you are with some

1257
00:52:37,150 --> 00:52:35,450
very brilliant people I'm very honored

1258
00:52:40,090 --> 00:52:37,160
and I have to say my brother and I both

1259
00:52:41,860 --> 00:52:40,100
honored to be brought into your circle

1260
00:52:43,150 --> 00:52:41,870
and the other circles of people who are

1261
00:52:45,430 --> 00:52:43,160
looking for the truth because that's

1262
00:52:47,680 --> 00:52:45,440
what we're dealing with and however

1263
00:52:48,700 --> 00:52:47,690
crazy it may seem you you kind of like

1264
00:52:50,950 --> 00:52:48,710
get a feeling of whether or not

1265
00:52:53,200 --> 00:52:50,960
something's truthful or not and it's

1266
00:52:56,320 --> 00:52:53,210
very easy to do some December like that

1267
00:52:57,820 --> 00:52:56,330
but to deal with the truth to look for

1268
00:53:00,610 --> 00:52:57,830
the truth to be passionate about the

1269
00:53:04,360 --> 00:53:00,620
truth I mean I spend every day of my

1270
00:53:06,550 --> 00:53:04,370
life reading and absorbing and thinking

1271
00:53:08,560 --> 00:53:06,560
and writing and you know and this is

1272
00:53:12,100 --> 00:53:08,570
that's the truth I mean you know that's

1273
00:53:15,880 --> 00:53:12,110
the truth thank you for saying that I

1274
00:53:18,610 --> 00:53:15,890
mean I appreciate those comments like

1275
00:53:20,440 --> 00:53:18,620
you say I've been sort of mixed up in

1276
00:53:22,350 --> 00:53:20,450
something that this before last three

1277
00:53:29,410 --> 00:53:22,360
years but so we won't going through here

1278
00:53:33,070 --> 00:53:29,420
but the moment from that we only deal

1279
00:53:35,440 --> 00:53:33,080
west right hit you in the face that

1280
00:53:37,540 --> 00:53:35,450
implies and things have been told it

1281
00:53:40,120 --> 00:53:37,550
does actually hit you pretty hard you

1282
00:53:42,160 --> 00:53:40,130
know and this is why I feel so sure

1283
00:53:46,990 --> 00:53:42,170
Peter who's been through a really badly

1284
00:53:49,930 --> 00:53:47,000
treaty Peru you know and he knows but he

1285
00:53:52,210 --> 00:53:49,940
knows how we really feel about and he's

1286
00:53:54,590 --> 00:53:52,220
for his own personal research and that

1287
00:53:57,560 --> 00:53:54,600
which he's still respected you know

1288
00:53:59,030 --> 00:53:57,570
oh and I don't doubt that I told him I

1289
00:54:00,710 --> 00:53:59,040
never have doubted that and I can tell

1290
00:54:03,080 --> 00:54:00,720
you I wouldn't be at all surprised if he

1291
00:54:04,730 --> 00:54:03,090
picks up his pen and he does another UFO

1292
00:54:09,320 --> 00:54:04,740
book or something because he's got a lot

1293
00:54:09,330 --> 00:54:17,690
[Laughter]

1294
00:54:21,470 --> 00:54:19,160
sorry conducting your own sort of

1295
00:54:24,170 --> 00:54:21,480
research into the UFO field or the thing

1296
00:54:26,210 --> 00:54:24,180
or I think I think my advice would be to

1297
00:54:28,280 --> 00:54:26,220
don't accept everything as face value

1298
00:54:31,970 --> 00:54:28,290
you really do need to look deeply into

1299
00:54:34,280 --> 00:54:31,980
it yeah I think you know it's like

1300
00:54:36,320 --> 00:54:34,290
anything I think if you my advice to

1301
00:54:38,420 --> 00:54:36,330
anyone that's looking into it is believe

1302
00:54:40,340 --> 00:54:38,430
in what you believe in and and I also

1303
00:54:42,020 --> 00:54:40,350
feel that you need to go out and you

1304
00:54:44,390 --> 00:54:42,030
have to do your research you must

1305
00:54:46,040 --> 00:54:44,400
research you can't just take it to face

1306
00:54:47,930 --> 00:54:46,050
value from the book or from something

1307
00:54:50,210 --> 00:54:47,940
you've read online or a documentary

1308
00:54:52,970 --> 00:54:50,220
you've seen go and research and then

1309
00:54:55,040 --> 00:54:52,980
talk to people get in touch with people

1310
00:54:56,960 --> 00:54:55,050
it's only when you do that you start to

1311
00:54:58,700 --> 00:54:56,970
put the pieces together and you know

1312
00:55:03,260 --> 00:54:58,710
we've had a the world's had a lot of

1313
00:55:06,410 --> 00:55:03,270
incredible very famous UFO encounters

1314
00:55:10,190 --> 00:55:06,420
that I believe are totally sad because

1315
00:55:12,770 --> 00:55:10,200
no one shouts for so long if they're if

1316
00:55:14,510 --> 00:55:12,780
there's no basis to it you know for

1317
00:55:17,000 --> 00:55:14,520
Roswell for instance I mean that is an

1318
00:55:20,150 --> 00:55:17,010
incredible true case Rendlesham forest

1319
00:55:21,830 --> 00:55:20,160
incident absolutely totally true with

1320
00:55:24,020 --> 00:55:21,840
Colonel Charles hoping his men and

1321
00:55:26,150 --> 00:55:24,030
Penniston and Burroughs and I also

1322
00:55:28,790 --> 00:55:26,160
believe that there's we have the

1323
00:55:31,070 --> 00:55:28,800
Pascagoula event that happened that I

1324
00:55:33,410 --> 00:55:31,080
know Phillip mentals heavily into that

1325
00:55:35,630 --> 00:55:33,420
was another very famous and very

1326
00:55:37,760 --> 00:55:35,640
well-known in the case as well so there

1327
00:55:41,030 --> 00:55:37,770
are there are hundreds if not thousands

1328
00:55:42,950 --> 00:55:41,040
of cases there have been investigated

1329
00:55:44,270 --> 00:55:42,960
have been investigated and there are

1330
00:55:46,040 --> 00:55:44,280
good researchers out there who were

1331
00:55:47,270 --> 00:55:46,050
digging digging digging for the truth

1332
00:55:50,000 --> 00:55:47,280
they want the truth they want you

1333
00:55:52,130 --> 00:55:50,010
they're going to find it so yeah that's

1334
00:55:53,750 --> 00:55:52,140
that's what that's where my I'm not so

1335
00:55:54,650 --> 00:55:53,760
interested in what happened to me now

1336
00:55:56,540 --> 00:55:54,660
that happened

1337
00:55:59,270 --> 00:55:56,550
I mean privately trying to working at

1338
00:56:01,460 --> 00:55:59,280
myself and I still write about it but my

1339
00:56:03,080 --> 00:56:01,470
real passion and drive is to get to be

1340
00:56:04,880 --> 00:56:03,090
to the real root of what's going on

1341
00:56:06,680 --> 00:56:04,890
that's where the result is would you

1342
00:56:07,350 --> 00:56:06,690
like to give up me because you're doing

1343
00:56:09,450 --> 00:56:07,360
the

1344
00:56:11,130 --> 00:56:09,460
an appearance on your shorts all is it

1345
00:56:13,410 --> 00:56:11,140
July was it it or is it you know the end

1346
00:56:15,630 --> 00:56:13,420
of June which were which are where I'll

1347
00:56:18,030 --> 00:56:15,640
be seeing oh yeah if you'd like to

1348
00:56:21,780 --> 00:56:18,040
pretty out these and other people might

1349
00:56:24,870 --> 00:56:21,790
like to yeah you can find out what I'm

1350
00:56:26,850 --> 00:56:24,880
doing online I mean I know it's the end

1351
00:56:37,650 --> 00:56:26,860
of June sometime but I'm a bit rubbish

1352
00:56:43,170 --> 00:56:37,660
with dates I'm afraid a normal

1353
00:56:46,140 --> 00:56:43,180
dimensions page anyway you know but my

1354
00:56:49,290 --> 00:56:46,150
books and the research and I and I you

1355
00:56:50,610 --> 00:56:49,300
can find out about me on there and I am

1356
00:56:52,560 --> 00:56:50,620
working on a new book called you the

1357
00:56:54,870 --> 00:56:52,570
public receive the grand UFO deception

1358
00:56:57,330 --> 00:56:54,880
which hopefully will be out in 2020 and

1359
00:57:05,970 --> 00:56:57,340
I'm also halfway through a psychic book

1360
00:57:07,140 --> 00:57:05,980
called I just they just pop into my head

1361
00:57:09,570 --> 00:57:07,150
and I'm thinking oh that sounds like a

1362
00:57:12,150 --> 00:57:09,580
good one I think I'll use that one but I

1363
00:57:14,790 --> 00:57:12,160
have to thank all of all of you and all

1364
00:57:16,770 --> 00:57:14,800
the good researchers who have supported

1365
00:57:18,360 --> 00:57:16,780
me and and my brother Ronald in

1366
00:57:20,310 --> 00:57:18,370
everything that we do which is really

1367
00:57:22,500 --> 00:57:20,320
very warm and lovely and that really

1368
00:57:24,540 --> 00:57:22,510
warms the heart so dealing with truth

1369
00:57:26,850 --> 00:57:24,550
and honesty in your respect dealing with

1370
00:57:29,370 --> 00:57:26,860
integrity that is what it's all about

1371
00:57:31,410 --> 00:57:29,380
and it's about sharing good information

1372
00:57:32,640 --> 00:57:31,420
and keeping abreast of what's going on

1373
00:57:33,750 --> 00:57:32,650
around the world because this case has

1374
00:57:36,600 --> 00:57:33,760
probably happened today that we won't

1375
00:57:38,370 --> 00:57:36,610
get to know about until about yeah very

1376
00:57:40,800 --> 00:57:38,380
warm human beings and I think that just

1377
00:57:42,510 --> 00:57:40,810
saw you can just that passion that you

1378
00:57:45,420 --> 00:57:42,520
both show for this for the subject just

1379
00:57:49,620 --> 00:57:45,430
it just emanates out there and you know

1380
00:57:51,600 --> 00:57:49,630
nothing everyone appreciates if you yeah

1381
00:57:53,940 --> 00:57:51,610
we're not out to score points one after

1382
00:57:56,520 --> 00:57:53,950
fame or forties the way we're doing it

1383
00:57:58,710 --> 00:57:56,530
and most and most scholars and

1384
00:58:01,260 --> 00:57:58,720
researchers North as a poor that's fine

1385
00:58:02,880 --> 00:58:01,270
I love what I do and and it's this the

1386
00:58:04,560 --> 00:58:02,890
drive that gets you there that's what

1387
00:58:05,820 --> 00:58:04,570
it's all about and the comradeship with

1388
00:58:07,560 --> 00:58:05,830
all those other good people out there

1389
00:58:08,910 --> 00:58:07,570
who are really trying to help you and

1390
00:58:11,490 --> 00:58:08,920
push you forward it's really wonderful

1391
00:58:13,710 --> 00:58:11,500
it's it's lovely sayin is that what you

1392
00:58:15,030 --> 00:58:13,720
like best about this book I think that's

1393
00:58:16,770 --> 00:58:15,040
what I like about it it's meeting all

1394
00:58:18,360 --> 00:58:16,780
these lovely people I don't think I'll

1395
00:58:20,400 --> 00:58:18,370
admit all these lovely people that such

1396
00:58:20,700 --> 00:58:20,410
as yourself without this subject you

1397
00:58:23,790 --> 00:58:20,710
know

1398
00:58:25,319 --> 00:58:23,800
yes yeah and I think social media has

1399
00:58:27,120 --> 00:58:25,329
helped in some way now because in the

1400
00:58:29,190 --> 00:58:27,130
early days you can have anywhere to

1401
00:58:31,020 --> 00:58:29,200
write them away tweets were alike so

1402
00:58:34,049 --> 00:58:31,030
it's given us the ability and I just

1403
00:58:37,109 --> 00:58:34,059
hope that the establishment does not in

1404
00:58:38,520 --> 00:58:37,119
any way try and control that which

1405
00:58:51,270 --> 00:58:38,530
they've done with a lot of other things

1406
00:58:52,589 --> 00:58:51,280
but that that's not going to that thank

1407
00:58:54,359 --> 00:58:52,599
you so much for coming on it's been

1408
00:58:56,430 --> 00:58:54,369
fascinating this being brilliant I've

1409
00:58:58,079 --> 00:58:56,440
got Ronald on the next show like I

1410
00:59:00,569 --> 00:58:58,089
mentioned so I'm looking forward to

1411
00:59:03,329 --> 00:59:00,579
speaking to him and no mention as well

1412
00:59:05,760 --> 00:59:03,339
like I said we'll put some links on the

1413
00:59:07,319 --> 00:59:05,770
page and everything and so if you want

1414
00:59:08,609 --> 00:59:07,329
to send me anything new you've got new

1415
00:59:10,260 --> 00:59:08,619
to put me on there but all I'll ever

1416
00:59:29,190 --> 00:59:10,270
root around then for him whatever I can

1417
00:59:30,750 --> 00:59:29,200
about you anyway Oh fantastic I'm

1418
00:59:34,950 --> 00:59:30,760
looking forward to seeing you soon take

1419
00:59:36,539 --> 00:59:34,960
care of yourself and I'm afraid this

1420
00:59:39,089 --> 00:59:36,549
person thank you once again for tuning